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there ain't no party like a dyngus day party because a dyngus day excuse to drink. it's the most random reason to drink. if nothing else, next year it's another excuse to drink if you can't hold out to cinco de mayo. you're welcome. and for those with the pussy willow welts today, happy dyngus day from us. that does it for us. erinburnett "outfront" starts right now. george zimmerman's defense team gets dropped today. and rick santorum us is pends his campaign. and a florida baseball manager is punished for saying he loves fidel castro. let's go "outfront."
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good evening. the lawyers for george zimmerman, the man who shot and killed trayvon martin say they're no longer communicating wither that client and in a very bizarre and strange and might i add surprising news conference this afternoon, the lawyers say they're dropping george zimmerman. >> i still believe he was acting in self-defense that night. nothing that i said about him or this case has changed in any way. i just can't proceed to represent a client who doesn't stay in contact with me. >> craig sonner and hal uhrig say the last time they spoke to the volunteer neighborhood watchman, this past sunday and this he's no longer answering their calls. but as of 1:30 p.m. eastern today, george zimmerman did update his website, posting a statement that claims his innocence. he is writing here, quote, i'm attempting to respond to each and every one of my supporters
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personally. it's been overwhelming in volume and strength. i thank you all and ask you to permit me the time to respond to each one of you personally. george zimmerman shot and killed trayvon martin back on february 26 and claims it was in self-defense. martin's family says he's racially profiled their son and demands his arrest. i want to bring in roland martin and paul callan to talk more about this, you know, fill in the adjective, shocking, surprising, bizarre, news conference held on behalf of the two attorneys. have you ever in your career, paul callan, heard of this happening? they said they haven't been in contact with their client, so done. >> it's utterly and completely bizarre. usually the lawyer says to the judge is there's a missing witness in the case, mr. green. all right? the lawyer hasn't been paid. and therefore, he's withdrawing from the case and i'm betting in this case because he started a
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website, he's raising money, he's never even met with these lawyers so i don't think they're being paid. and i think as a result of that, they're dropping out of the case, waiting for the big gun to come in to represent zimmerman. >> so you think's a big -- >> i think you'll see somebody well known probably step in to the case and assume representation at some point in the very, very near future. i don't know who that is, but that's what it's looking like to me. >> when i was in orlando a couple of weeks ago, i talked to several different attorneys an they said that major lawyers down there have been waiting and salivating at the opportunity. >> so they're swarming? >> absolutely. >> he's never physically met with the lawyers. >> never physically met with the lawyers. i believe they said the last time there was communication with george zimmerman was sunday. that might have been a text message. >> i called joe oliver -- >> who has been defending george zimmerman. >> right. he hasn't talked to george in two weeks. i feel like he's been wrongly
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advised and he said he's making some bad decisions. he said, quote, i'm confident in saying that the authorities know where he's at if they need to get at him. he also talked about the flight risk, because they're concerned he could be a flight risk, but joe said he doesn't have the funds to be a flight risk. i sent him a text said, and i side it's not going to work in your favor. joe said one of the reasons he hasn't been on television, because he doesn't want to keep rehashing the same thing. but also, he said i can't represent him as a friend, as a media adviser, if he won't even talk to me. he's talked to his father a week ago. hasn't talked to george zimmerman in two weeks. >> so he sent joe oliver, sent this text saying, get anything, crickets? >> no. he's not gotten a response from him. he hasn't returned the text in two weeks. >> so paul callen, you're saying and you two are in agreement, potentially some big-gun attorneys are about to swoop in and take on the case in the meantime.
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we're talking ago george zimmerman as a former client of the two gentlemen, was it unethical for them to hold this news conference about someone they had been representing, potential -- potentially speaking in -- i don't want to say defamatory way, but, you know, in a way that wouldn't perhaps put their client in a nice light? >> i have a real problem with the attorneys doing this. i think they may have an ethical problem. because look at the tenor of the entire press conference. first of all, why are they holding a press conference to say we're not representing him? and when you come way afrom the press conference it sounds like zimmerman is a bit of a flake. he doesn't talk to his attorneys, they don't know where he is. don't you want to be presenting the defense that zimmerman made a proper and difficult decision to defend himself? a lawyer is supposed to act to the benefit of the client. not -- >> even if it's a former client? >> even if it's a former client. you're supposed to hold a press conference and say i'm out of the case. that's when the woman did when
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she withdrew from the casey anthony case. a lot of high-profile cases -- >> how you have a father who's a judge, a mother who was a clerk in the court, i mean, you come from a legal family. and so you've got to be asking the question, where's his family in all of this? you would think that they would be saying, george, sit down, shut up, we know the law. listen to us. and instead of talking to joe oliver, listening to the attorneys. sounds like he's freelancing out there. so it makes for a crazy development. >> what do you make of his attorneys also -- at one point they said maybe he's suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, they mentioned ptsd. they said he's losing a lot of weight. perhaps he's very unstable. what do you make of that? >> when you think about this, you have these attorneys who have never actually met with him. he by the way says -- >> you're still marveling at that. >> i'm marveling at that because he actually made the statement -- he zimmerman saying they're not my attorneys but they have given me legal
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counsel. i don't know. that's a mixed message, but nonetheless, for them to say he's suffering from these conditions. i mean, this is the outline of a defense in a criminal case potentially a murder case. you don't do this. it's not in the client's interests. >> even joe oliver said he hasn't met with him personally. you're saying wait a minute, you're hearing all the stories, you're getting then on the phone. if i'm that close friends, if i'm an attorney -- >> where is he? we'll see if you called it, some big-dog attorneys swooped in. >> if they can find zimmerman to swoop in. getting back to the father being a judge. you know what a judge would say to his son, sit down with an attorney right now. you're in the middle of the firestorm. it's bizarre. >> was -- we're now getting ben crump, he represents trayvon martin's family. mr. crump, let me begin with the family here who you have been
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very closely in touch with. obviously. were they watching today's news conference, the news conference given on behalf of george zimmerman's attorneys? what was their reaction? >> yes, ma'am, as the lead attorney for the parents of trayvon martin and with the other lawyers we all watched the press conference. as i told roland earlier, it was just surprising to us and after the press conference, his parents turned to me and said, they don't know where this guy is at. and that is the issue. they don't know where the killer of trayvon martin is at. he is unaccounted for, and they are really concerned about that because they do worry about him being a flight risk. they worry about if he's ever going to be brought to justice for killing their son. >> you know, we hear from sanford police. they say they do know where george zimmerman is. even though he's apparently not exactly in contact with anyone else. did they buy that and are they
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still fearful that despite the fact that police know where he is, he could still flee? >> well, with this sporadic conduct on behalf of george zimmerman, we think he's a flight risk. we found out today he's not in the state of florida. the lawyers say they don't think he would leave the country, but again, they haven't met him. as we were telling roland martin, we're really concerned about this because how does this impact the prosecution going forward? if he is -- if charges are brought, is he going to face the charges or is he going to flee? >> wait, mr. crump -- >> it's a really troubling matter. >> am i hearing you correctly, you are hearing that he's not in florida? is that what you just said? >> yes, we heard that he's not in the state of florida. >> where are you getting that from? >> well, no, we picked that up from the press conference. they said they know where he is at, but they -- they know where they think he is, but they're not sure. >> they're not sure.
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let me bring in paul callan. go ahead. >> if he's out of the state of florida or a danger that he's going to leave this country, this would cause the prosecutor to move much more quickly in lodging charges if that's the direction she's going to go in because she's got to go to court, get an arrest warrant and you've going to want to grab him while he's still grabable. this could be an important factor that prosecutor angela corey would be looking at if he's available. >> to the audience, remember, he's not been arrested. so it's not like they have -- he has to be in contact with the authorities. >> not wearing an ankle bracelet, et cetera. >> until a warrant is issued by the court he's free to go where he wants to go. >> final question, if george zimmerman, if he's watching tonight, what message would trayvon martin's parents have for him? >> well, the same as they had all along. why did he shoot and kill their son? their son was unarmed, trying to get home. and they have always asked that question of george zimmerman.
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only thing they have asked for from the police and the state attorney arrest him so the wheels of justice can start going forward. and a judge and a jury will decide this matter. they only want simple justice. nothing more or nothing less, erin. >> thank you. ben crump, thank you. paul, roland, gentlemen, thank you. i want to remind everyone that ben crump and trayvon martin's family will be guests of piers morgan tonight. what a day it has been. rick santorum, big news there, suspending the presidential campaign. so is newt gingrich next? also, house majority leader eric cantor is in damage control mode today. we're "outfront" on that one. also a woman lied to the world about being in the world trade center on 9/11. all false and her lies didn't stop there. [ grandfather ] that a boy!
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what a day it has been. huge political news. rick santorum suspending his campaign for the republican presidential nomination. here he was. >> we made a decision to get into this race at our kitchen table against all the odds and we made a decision over the weekend that while this presidential race for us is over for me and we will suspend our campaign effective today, we are not done fighting.
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>> cnn has learned that final decision was made last night and what it does is it now clears the way for mitt romney pretty much all but certain candidacy against president obama this november. romney applauded his decision tonight. >> he will continue to have a major role in the republican party and i look forward to his work in helping assure victories for republicans across the country in november. >> a couple of big questions, one being who gets santorum's supporters? mainly, made up of evangelical, blue collar voters. and will he endorse romney and help him campaign as we look forward to november. joining me now to talk about the road ahead, paul begala, john avlon, reihan salam. timing-wise we know he was in and out of the hospital with his daughter, bella. also you have the primary coming
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up in his home state. was this move just to save a little face? >> i think there is a lot to it. i think this was an exhausting campaign for him and took him away from his family. on top of that he had a very, very big mountain to climb in terms of winning pennsylvania. i think those things taken together make it a very sensible decision for rick santorum and his family. >> both family and political. >> absolutely. >> john avlon, we know that santorum, he called romney before his announcement and also learned that romney has asked for the face to face meeting and santorum said yes to that. once it happens, looking in the tea leaves what will happen afterwards? smelling an endorsement potentially? >> almost definitely at some point. but it was striking that rick santorum found time to mention the sweater vest which was the symbol of his campaign, but not to mention mitt romney by name. this was about saving face and not potentially losing his home state. losing your home state that is devastating but would really
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hurt him going forward. this way he gets out with grace and says he can represent the conservative wing going forward. in that face to face meeting it won't be a conversation about an endorsement but negotiating for speaking slots at the convention and that sort of thing. santorum comes out of this very surprising campaign. if you told us six months ago he would be the last serious candidate standing people wouldn't believe you. he's run an incredibly strong campaign. something to be proud of. >> sweater vest aside and i know people will miss that, john makes a point, he dips out with grace. his presence on the trail has been a gift for the obama administration the way he has pointed out mitt romney's weaknesses. >> absolutely. honestly, it's a gift to mitt romney. president clinton for whom i used to work used to quote ben franklin saying we should thank our foes because they point out our flaws. the biggest flaw that santorum pointed out in romney is the inability to appeal to blue collar people.
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the reagan democrats who are the key to any republican party. romney has not been able to reach out to them. santorum has given plenty for the democrats to use against romney. week of april 15th santorum was killing romney on this issue. and frankly, we've got it all on videotape. you're likely to see it. >> you are saying that was also a gift for romney? i hear you laughing. john avlon, how is that a gift for romney? >> romney knows what he has to correct and still seems unable to do it. he is not a dumb man, mitt romney is a brilliant guy. he knows he can't get blue collar votes. rick santorum who lost his own state by 18 points even he was beating him among blue collar middle income and lower income republicans. how do you think romney is going to do against independents? >> that was less so in wisconsin than earlier primaries. it seemed as though mitt romney was improving his stance. i think you are going to see a general refocusing on the message as we head into general election mode. >> let's talk about the message. when you look at the numbers,
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"the washington post"/abc news poll, president obama does well when it comes to women but when you look at jobs and the economy it is neck and neck. obama at 43%, romney 47%. how is romney, it is a little bit of a lead, reihan, but not enough. >> absolutely and the other issue is that recently third way released a survey as they referred to as swing independents. they found, look, these voters favor obama slightly over romney. here's the deal. they are actually much more responsive to an opportunity oriented economic message than a fairness oriented economic message. you know, with the president focusing very tightly on the buffett rule, the idea that the rich aren't paying their fair share, it's not necessarily true that romney is going to press an opportunity oriented message but if you manage to figure that out it suggests that he might learn from santorum by appealing more
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to the blue collar voters then he has a real advantage. >> there is someone out there who would like to get the voters and that is former speak of the house, newt gingrich. he said today he is still staying in. he is going to get the santorum supporters. sending out an e-mail saying let me get some money and hoping to get a lot of supporters from santorum. when you look at the recent nationwide poll half would go to mitt romney? why, john avlon, is newt gingrich staying in this thing? >> well, he is sort of jumping up and down saying i'm still here. i think newt gingrich is playing a bit of poker. he is reading history books and hoping maybe he will get lucky. maybe there's an opportunity for him to ride this thing to tampa and maybe things will break his way late in the game. i think those folks who have been hard core conservative to mitt romney, i think you will see newt gingrich's numbers get
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a slight bump in the state contests going forward because he is the last man standing along with ron paul. i think effectively the nomination is done today with rick santorum dropping out. and that, mitt romney is going to have time to coalesce the support and refocus the message to the general election. he's got a lot of ground to gain. in these past four months he has lost dramatic support among women and independent voters. so that's significant. that's the ground game that has to go forward. >> we'll see how that poker game and poker face turns out. you should have seen these guys snickering when you made that comment. jon avalon, thank you, paul, reihan, thank you all so much. appreciate it. outfront next the manager of the florida marlins is suspended for his controversial comments he made. he said how he respects and loves fidell castro. and a violent argument on a new york subway escalates. if you haven't seen the video, don't move. an unlikely hero steps spenders. taking a close look at you
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about where we focus on our own reporting. we did the work tonight. we found the outfront five. up first george zimmerman's attorneys say they lost contact with the client and thus will no longer be representing the man who killed florida teenager trayvon martin. the attorneys craig sonner and hal uhrig announcing that they're dropping zimmerman because they have not heard from him in days and his lawyers say zimmerman called this special prosecutor today to talk about the case. angela corey refused to meet with him without his lawyers. attorneys say zimmerman is no
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ticket. each will get $35 million after taxes. by the looks of the picture they want to remain anonymous. here is what we do know about them. the winners are an elementary school teacher, a special education teacher and an administrative worker. and they all say they are going to keep working. they don't want to retire. that's what they say so far. there is one unclaimed winning ticket out there somewhere in illinois. number four tonight best buy ceo brian dunn resigned admitted -- amid an investigation into his personal misconduct. certain issues were brought to the board's attention regarding his personal conduct unrelated to the company's operations or financial controls. prior to the completion of the investigation mr. dunn chose to resign. best buy has struggled recently announcing the loss of $1.7 billion during the first quarter of this year. analysts told outfront that best buy will likely benefit. it has been 250 days since
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the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the stock market not helping. the dow suffered the worst loss of the year, down 214 points. all three major indices lost more than 1.5%. now to a story we have been outfront on. sources close to eric cantor say -- and i'm quoting, a staff error led to his donation of $25,000 to the supe -- to the super pac, dedicated to unseating incumbent members of congress including members of cantor's own party. this revelation, yeah, it's raising more than a few eyebrows among the gop. and cantor is now in damage control. just this past friday, john avlon filling in for erin burnett, spoke to the super pac founders who praised cantor and did nothing to tamp down the controversy. watch.
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>> you received money from a pac associated with republican house majority leader eric cantor. you are taking on members of his conference and presumably backing newer tea party members against establishment republicans. that is definitely taking aside with an ideological and faction fight with the republican party. >> we are delighted that the house leadership of the gop shares our vision of creating real competition for entrenched incumbents. that's so forward thinking of them. you know, this idea that committee chairs and house leadership ought to have to compete for the support of their district. we applaud their foresight. >> they applaud their foresight but i can tell you this, many house republicans are certainly not applauding this move. i want to bring in dana bash joining me live from washington.
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a staff error? are the republicans buying that one? >> eric cantor has some angry republicans because he is picking sides and pitting one house republican against another. one told me this is dangerous ground and not what our leadership should be doing. to be fair some republicans i talk to say they would give cantor a pass in this particular case because he's picking sides in a republican race where he is particularly close to one of them and that is the person who won, congressman allen kinzinger out of illinois. targeting more than half a dozen other republicans are not okay as far as many colleagues are concerned and that is why he has been as you said in damage control and been making calls to many members. >> i know that the week before eric cantor's pac made this donation, a front paged article ab the campaign appeared smack dab on the cover of the "the washington post."
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check it out yourself. got to imagine this is the paper that lands on the house majority leader's front door step at least on capitol hill. how could they have not known what this super pac was up to? >> it's perplexing. i mean, it really is. here is what i believe they mean when they say it was a star error. in politics, politicians, especially someone as high ranking as eric cantor is asked to do things all the time. one house republican asked him to please give to the super pac, he said i will and authorized the staff to do it. it seems like the staff may not have done what they intend to do. they get these requests and sometimes they say i'll do it but their staff put the kibosh on it. in this case the staff should have seen that the super pac is also trying to take out some of the republicans he doesn't want to take out and they should have not done it but it happened. >> thank you.
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i want to bring in john avlon. a hat tip for you being out on this on friday. eric cantor's office told outfront that the money he donated was meant for one specific race only. let's listen to part of your interview here. >> eric cantor's office responded and said his pac did give the $25,000 to your super pac, your organization, but with the explicit understanding that that money was only supposed to go to support adam kinzinger. seems like that is news to you. you said it is one general fund. >> it is news to me. i don't know what their expectation was but i never talked to anyone in their office. i don't know what their expectations were. for us it came in and went into our super pac and we spent it on the activity that was underway. >> and john, that's very different from what sources close to cantor are saying now, which at the tip top are saying
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this was a staff error. why are they saying that? why back track? >> well, the back tracking is a bad sign. blaming something on staff error is the equivalent of saying the dog ate my homework. whenever you have a more detailed explanation that we made this donation with full knowledge but earmarked for this specific race and now saying we don't know anything about it that is a bad sign in the realm of credibility. it is really making waves. this super pac is notorious on capitol hill. it is not credible to say they were unaware of it. this is really going to create problems for eric cantor. >> dana alluded to this but i wanted to toss the question to you as well. why would the majority leader in the u.s. house of representatives get involved in a race between two members of his own party? >> it is a great question. and that is the question a lot of members of the republican conference are asking right now. obviously there is bad blood
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against the congressman, the incumbent who was targeted. a loyalty he had committed apparently to support adam in -- to support adam kinzinger in this redistricting that was done. but what is really creating bad blood around this revelation isn't just the donation was made. it wasn't just that when this news was coming out there wasn't a head's up. instead of just supporting adam kinzinger with positive ads, this went to negative ads and that will really leave a bad taste in people's mouths. that can form a lot of negative stereotypes about eric cantor. >> and at a time when republicans are calling on unity i imagine that has a ripple effect in capitol hill. john avlon, thank you. a florida baseball manager punished for comments about fidel castro and the woman who wasn't there. don't miss this. this is an incredible
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the manager of the miami marlins, florida marlins unleashing a storm of controversy in the team's new neighborhood of little havana, where the new ballpark is, after he appeared to praise fidel castro in his
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interview with "time" magazine saying i love fidel castro i respect fidel castro. i love castro. those remarks earn him a five game suspension. and a long, apologetic news conference today where he tried to explain. here he was. >> what i mean in spanish when they ask me in spanish i was thinking in spanish and i say i cannot believe somebody hurt so many people over the years is still alive. >> a columnist at the herald. -- at "the miami herald," and armando, you're tapping into the outrage i know i have seen in south florida and the community there in the last 24 hours or so. how strong is it and will this mea culpa be enough? >> let me give you some perspective on the outrage. the outrage is akin to somebody walking into vatican city and in the middle of a million catholics saying i don't not
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only believe in god, i love the devil, i respect the devil because the guy has been around for so many years. >> wow. >> that is the perspective that the cuban americans and cubans and americans of cuban descent have down here because to them fidel castro is the devil incarnate. he is not the benign figure that passes out cigars to national leaders around the globe. this is a guy that to them and, in fact, was a terrorist leader, was a guerilla, a murderer and to them was a guy who broke up millions of families including my own and so it frayed nerves. it's a big deal down here and it's a big deal. >> so armando, i think you did put it into perspective given that analogy you just gave. is that five-game suspension enough?
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>> well, obviously he showed a lot of contrition. he not only apologized in one language, he apologized in two languages. i have never seen that in my entire career. he said i'm sorry, i apologize, i'm embarrassed at least 52 times during that 46 minute press conference. i buy it. i think that is going to be enough. we won't know for sure until people buy the tickets or don't buy the tickets. to miami marlins games. >> let's take a trip down memory lane, because we know ozzie guillen, no stranger to controversial comments. in 2006 he was ordered to take sensitivity training after using a homosexual slur to describe a columnist. two years later, in 2008 he said fidel castro is a [ bleep ] dictator. and everybody is against him. he still survives, has power. i don't admire his philosophy. i admire him, interesting he says that in 2012. in 2010 he praised illegal
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immigrants saying there are a lot of people from this country who are lazy. we are not. prove me wrong. a lot of people want to be on the computer and send e-mails we go out to make the country better. last week talking about his post game ritual i have my routine. game is over, stay in the lobby of the hotel, hotel bar, get drunk and go to sleep. one more. when the chicago white sox won the world series in '05 he was seen after the game waving a venezuelan flag saying viva chavez in reference to the president. how does this current controversy, these most recent words about fidel castro, how does that stack up? >> ozzie has dropped a lot of bombs. this one is one of the nuclear explosions i would say. and i would tell you that because he has a history that you just went through, people are wary. people are worried about the next bomb that he drops.
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so, again, the contrition, the sincerity is all well and good. i think people are wary of what is going to happen down the road. >> here is hoping he works well, i guess, with the florida marlins and can bring them the series win as he did the white sox and perhaps people won't care what he says and care about baseball. armando, thank you. this is one of the most chipping stories to come out of 9/11. tanya head had lived to tell about it, and after being badly burned, she saw her assistant being decapitated. her open survival was made possible by the thoughts of beautiful white dress she would be wearing for her fiance dave on her wedding dress. she learned soon after that dave didn't make it. >> dave and i met outside the world trade center. when i go to the site, i bring a
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new york city cup with me and i put it with me in the reflection pool so that he knows that i remember him. >> despite that devastating loss, tanya became a beacon of hope. she lobbies to have survivors invited to annual 9/11 commemorations and i even gave rudy giuliani a tour of 9/11. she had a dark secret -- she wasn't in the united states on that day. it was all a lie. and her extraordinary detension is written about in "the woman who wasn't there." and we found out about how they first met. >> the second we met, she told me her story. i cried. >> you cried? >> yeah. i mean, she only had like 70 seconds to tell me the story. it was barely a minute and, you know, we became friends right after that.
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then she asked me to do a documentary based on her group. >> robin, to you, i mean, tanya had really emerged as a well-known name within the 9/11 survivors community. she wasn't just a survivor. i mean, she was the president of the survivors network. what else? >> i mean, she was everything. she was the ultimate survivor, she was a victim, she was everything on 9/11. >> when you hear about the story of the south tower and the ring she brought to the man when she got out, did you ever question the story and her personality? >> she had a personality that was magnetic. she had a magnetism. she didn't have physical beauty, but what she did have is this light around her that connected you to immediately. she was able to walk into a room
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and command a presence, all eyes were on her. we connected to her right away. and so did the press, so did the people in the 9/11 community. it was very hard because as robin said, she represented a widow and a hero and almost everything that 9/11 came to represent. >> so never at any point in time you said, tanya, i'm not so sure about you? >> well, you know, it's a strange thing. you know, she's sitting in front of you har camera and she's bar her soul and not for a second did i believe that she was anything more than an authentic 9/11 survivor. her story changed. she said she had a fiance, then a husband, then went back to fiance. >> some holes in the resume. >> sure. merrill lynch, morgan stanley, back to merrill lynch. you have said she's so traumatized, she can't keep her facts straight. every time of detection you had of her, you overruled because of her trauma.
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>> you talk about interviewing her for the documentary and she'd tell the stories and you'd never think for a question to question it. and who did the fact checking was "the new york times" and this piece come out. you come to realize this good friend who, you know, i'm sure she bared her soul to you and vice versa, you find out this is a ruse. do you think it's a joke? >> you have to keep reminding yourself that she was lying because it was -- ironically, it was the deception that didn't seem real. and then, after you sort of come out of that shock, it sort of starts to make sense. the cancelled appointments, the disappearances. the inconsistencies in stories and emotions. the emotional outbreaks. you start to say wow, that mystery we couldn't figure out makes sense. >> did you have a chance after this came out to say who are you and why? >> against all odds in a city of
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8 million people i ran into her on the street just days after the tenth anniversary. and the survivors really were still suffering at what she had done. i mean, the shock waves sent were through the survivor community for years to come. i asked her how could you come to new york after the tenth anniversary? >> how dare you? >> yeah. how dare you. and don't you feel a thing for the people that you have hurt? because it just boggled me mind that there was no -- there was no contrition, there was no apology. there was no -- >> no apology? >> no. no effort to ease their suffering which they were so clearly doing. so it was -- it was incredible. >> who is she? and where is she now? >> she is -- she's a very wealthy woman from her family -- her family is very wealthy from barcelona. she travels all over europe. she comes from barcelona, pops into manhattan.
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seems to be living the high life. i believe at least her therapist told me if she's not scamming someone right now, she will definitely do it again. she even fooled her open therapist. so she's out there. >> she's not facing any kind of charges because what she never profited from this? she gave her own money? >> she gave her open money, she didn't sign any documents, she didn't do anything within the confines of our law that is considered illegal. >> unreal, right? you can catch the premiere of "the woman who wasn't there" on investigation discovery and you can buy the book as well. a violent altercation on a new york subway and an unlikely suspect takes a bite out of crime. the most spectacular experiences are happening here. imax now showing on the big board.
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earlier this week, a woman on a new york subway thought a man was following her, and she confronted him which led to this. >> [ bleep ]. >> whoa whoa whoa. whoa. >> go ahead. >> [ bleep ]. >> yikes, right? could have ended much worse, but things didn't get too crazy because this happened. >> stop following me! >> another passenger eating some chips, doesn't break his chip-eating stride, he stands there to give the parties
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